If you like hearing Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger talk at the Berkshire Hathaway (BRK) annual meeting, you should also watch or listen to Charlie Munger at the Daily Journal (DJCO) annual meeting. DJCO is his personal pet project, and each year he does a Q&A session where he answers any questions by himself. CNBC recorded the full 2020 DJCO annual meeting live (embedded below). I watched the entire 2+ hour session – it’s good but long… might be better as a podcast (although I like to take notes too).

Adam Blum of ValueWalk has generously shared his full transcript as well. It’s very complete so I am too lazy to compete with that. Instead, here are my (often paraphrased) personal notes and highlights:

• Munger has no idea what the consequences will be that the biggest shareholder in all the biggest companies are index funds.
• Munger likes the Daily Journal and Costco because it they try to do right by their customers, as opposed to casinos for example that make money by tricking people. You should always take the high road if you can. It’s less crowded.
• Newspaper are going away, except for maybe the Wall Street Journal and New York Times. This is bad, as now you have misleading opinion media on both sides that just keep spewing hatred. Politics is even sillier than business.
• Chinese companies are stronger with better growth prospects than US companies. Munger is invested there (and he jokes that you aren’t). Fish where the fish are.
• Munger is partial to Canada and their working single-payer health care system, especially how they pay lower pharmaceutical prices.
• There is too much wretched excess in investment management. There are troubles coming.
• Index funds will still work best for most people, if you can be patient. He notes that the average holding period among Chinese investors is very short. This is not good. He is not a fan of the popularity of gambling among the Chinese.
• Be a survivor, not a victim. Advocating for reform is important, but on a personal level it is important to to keep plugging along. Munger doesn’t like politicians that get ahead by trying to make everyone feel like a victim. Recognize you are in a bad situation and work to make it better.
• Munger only knows enough about Crypto to know that he should avoid it. “Too hard” pile.
• Regarding inflation and interest rates, we should all be modest about our knowledge of economics.
• No new book recommendations.
• Munger does not have a hostile attitude towards China. The US should try to get along with China. China should try to get along with the US. As an aside, Munger has admiration for Japan during their 25 years of economic stasis.
• Learn to change your mind when you are wrong.
• Tesla – Munger will never buy it, but also never sell it short. Don’t underestimate a man that overestimates himself.
• We should appreciate our current living standards. What is extra money really going to do for you after you have enough to eat? Medicine has greatly improved. Even with more technological advances, will life be that much better?
• Munger has no secrets to share about his longevity.
• His only advice on parenting is to be a good example. Preaching to his kids never worked.
• On negative interest rates, having worked once, governments will of course try it again, likely to excess.
• The inversion process. Figure out the easiest ways to make yourself bankrupt, and then avoid them. (Consumer debt? Medical debt?)
• Munger is known for being rational, yet he 96 years old, enormously rich, and cares a lot about what happens to a little company called the Daily Journal. He calls it insane.
• Having a two-party political system is good. Power corrupts. It’s better when no one side gets too much power. The ebb and flow is good.
• American healthcare, in many ways it’s the best in the world. It is powered by a lot of smart hard-working people. However, there is a huge amount of totally unnecessary activity that costs a lot and does nothing or even causes harm. Why? There are big financial incentives to make money with unnecessary care. Change the incentives. The insurance reimbursement system is too opaque. Kaiser system is an example of doing less unnecessary care.
• People who are deferred gratifiers do better than the impulsive ones that demand immediate gratification. He is afraid the tendency towards one or the other might be genetic.

I actually appreciate when someone admits they don’t know something, as opposed to others who seem to form a strong opinion on everything under the sun. One of Munger’s lessons is that it is important to accept what you don’t know, and make strong bets only on what you do know. That’s the only way to get outsized results.

Here’s another Charles T. Munger interview (last one for a while, I promise!) for those of you that share a peculiar fondness for hearing someone encourage rationality, patience, and self-discipline. After the Daily Journal 2019 annual meeting, Munger did a 30-minute interview with Becky Quick of CNBC. (See similar Buffett CNBC interview.) I guess they forgave Munger’s jabs at Jim Cramer, as they posted the entire interview online along with a full transcript.

I’m going to be honest, I didn’t get as many gems out of this interview as some of his other stuff. Here was my favorite part.

The secrets to life can also fit on an index card? As Munger noted earlier, “If it’s trite, it’s right”. We’ve seen personal finance advice fit on an index card, so why not life advice as well?

BECKY QUICK: Charlie, so many of the people who come here come because they’re looking for advice not on business or investments as much as they’re looking for just advice on life. There were a lot of questions today, people trying to figure out what the secret to life is, to a long and happy life. And– and I just wonder, if you were–

CHARLIE MUNGER: Now that is easy, because it’s so simple.

BECKY QUICK: What is it?

CHARLIE MUNGER: You don’t have a lot of envy, you don’t have a lot of resentment, you don’t overspend your income, you stay cheerful in spite of your troubles. You deal with reliable people and you do what you’re supposed to do. And all these simple rules work so well to make your life better. And they’re so trite.

BECKY QUICK: How old were you when you figured this out?

CHARLIE MUNGER: About seven. I could tell that some of my older people were a little bonkers. I’ve always been able to recognize that other people were a little bonkers. And it helped me because there’s so much irrationality in the world. And I’ve been thinking about it for a long time, its causes and its preventions, and so forth, that I– sure it’s helped me.

If you like hearing Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger talk at the Berkshire Hathaway (BRK) annual meeting, you should also watch or listen to Charlie Munger at the Daily Journal (DJCO) annual meeting. DJCO is his personal pet project, and I feel like he lets loose more at this meeting than at BRK. For 2019, CNBC broadcast the entire 2-hour Q&A session online. Latticework Investing generously shares a full transcript as well. I choose to listen to this over any finance-related podcast.

Here are my personal notes and highlights:

Think for yourself.

[…] my definition of being properly educated is being right when the professor is wrong. Anybody can spit back what the professor tells you. The trick is to know when he’s right and when he’s wrong. That’s the properly educated person.

Index funds have become more and more successful for a simple reason. The evidence is getting stronger over time that they provide better long-term performance due to lower costs and better tax-effeciency.

Another issue of course that’s happened in the world of stock picking, where all this money and effort goes into trying to be rational, is that we’ve had a really horrible thing happen to the investment counseling class. And that is these index funds have come along and they basically beat everybody. And not only that, the amount by which they beat everybody is roughly the amount of cost of running the operation and making the changes in investments. So you have a whole profession that is basically being paid for accomplishing practically nothing. This is very peculiar. This is not the case with bowel surgery or even the criminal defense bar in the law or something. They have a whole profession where the chosen activity they’ve selected they can’t do anything.

[…] I don’t have any solution for this problem. I do think that index investing, if everybody did it won’t work. But for another considerable period, index investing is going to work better than active stock picking where you try and know a lot.

If you are trying to beat the indexes, you need LESS diversification, not more. Wait for a few fat pitches and don’t hesitate to swing. This isn’t as widely known, but Munger’s personal portfolio is roughly 1/3rd Berkshire Hathaway stock, 1/3rd Costco stock, and 1/3rd invested in Li Lu, an investment manager based in China.

But the whole trick of the game is to have a few times when you know that something is better than average and to invest only where you have that extra knowledge. And then if you get just a few opportunities that’s enough. What the hell do you care if you own three securities and J.P. Morgan Chase owns a hundred? What’s wrong with owning a few securities?

[…] So the whole idea of diversification when you’re looking for excellence, is totally ridiculous. It doesn’t work. It gives you an impossible task.

Now at a place like Berkshire Hathaway or even the Daily Journal, we’ve done better than average. And now there’s a question, why has that happened? Why has that happened? And the answer is pretty simple. We tried to do less. We never had the illusion we could just hire a bunch of bright young people and they would know more than anybody about canned soup and aerospace and utilities and so on and so on and so on. We never had that dream. We never thought we could get really useful information on all subjects like Jim Cramer pretends to have. (laughter) We always realized that if we worked very hard we can find a few things where we were right. And that a few things were enough. And that that was a reasonable expectation.

Avoid any pitches that promise easy money from stock-picking. Penny stocks, day-trading, trends, charts. All of them.

Then if you take the modern world where people are trying to teach you how to come in and trade actively in stocks. Well I regard that as roughly equivalent to trying to induce a bunch of young people to start off on heroin. It is really stupid. And when you’re already rich to make your money by encouraging people to get rich by trading? And then there are people on the TV, another wonderful place, and they say, “I have this book that will teach you how to make 300 percent a year. All you have to do is pay for shipping and I will mail it to you!” (laughter) How likely is it that a person who suddenly found a way to make 300 percent a year would be trying to sell books on the internet to you! (laughter) It’s ridiculous.

Have modest expectations in stock market returns.

Well, my advice for a seeker of compound interest that works ideally is to reduce your expectations. Because I think it’s going to be tougher for a while. And it helps to have realistic expectations. Makes you less crazy. I think that…you know they say that common stocks from the aftermath of the Great Depression, which was the worst in the English speaking world in hundreds of years, to the present time may be an index that’s produced 10 percent. Well that’s pre-inflation. After inflation it may be 7 percent or something. And the difference between 7 and 10 in terms of its consequences are just hugely dramatic over that long period of time. And if that’s 7 in real terms, but achieved starting at a perfect period and through the greatest boom in history, starting now it could well be 3 percent or 2 percent in real terms. It’s not unthinkable you’d have 5 percent returns and 3 percent inflation or some ghastly consequences like that. The ideal way to cope with that is to say, “If that happens, I can have a happy life.”

Be very careful about who you chose to partner up with in your life.

We all know people that are out married, I mean their spouses are so much better. Think of what a good decision that was for them. And what a lucky decision. Way more important than money. A lot of them did it when they were young, they just stumbled into it. Now you don’t have to stumble into it, you can be very careful. A lot of people are wearing signs, “Danger. Danger. Do not touch.” And people just charged right ahead. (laughter) That’s a mistake. Well you can laugh but it’s still a horrible mistake.

On becoming rich.

This business of controlling the costs and living simply, that was the secret. Warren and I had tiny little bits of money. We always underspent our incomes and invested. And if you live long enough you end up rich. It’s not very complicated.

“If it’s trite it’s right.”

I think personal discipline, personal morality, good colleagues, good ideas, all the simple stuff. I’d say, if you want to carry one message from Charlie Munger it’s this, “If it’s trite it’s right.” All those old virtues, they all work.

My general idea is there’s no point in fretting too much about what you can’t fix. It’s a big mistake to fill yourself with resentments and hatreds and so on. It’s such a simple idea but so many people ruin their lives unnecessarily. Envy is such a stupid thing to have because you can’t possibly have any fun with that particular sin. Who in the hell ever had any fun in envy? What good could envy possibly do for you? And somebody is always going to be doing better than you are. It’s really stupid. So my system at life is to figure out what’s really stupid and avoid it. It doesn’t make me popular, but it prevents a lot of trouble.