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	<title>Comments on: Stable Value Funds &#8211; Exploring Risks and Rewards</title>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.mymoneyblog.com/stable-value-funds-exploring-risks-and-rewards.html#comment-166925</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 06:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A mutual fund that I use for my Roth IRA to look at is PRPFX.</description>
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		<title>By: sacundim</title>
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		<dc:creator>sacundim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;First up, if the underlying securities turn out to be utter crap via a default or credit downgrade, then the insurance doesn’t apply?  Wait, the insurer gets to choose the securities in the first place? Sometimes smells here.&quot;

Well, clearly the point of the insurance isn&#039;t to eliminate credit risk—which would be too good to be true—but to eliminate interest-rate risk, which is more realistic.

I don&#039;t see the perverse incentives that you suspect here with regard to bond selection.  The insurer doesn&#039;t gain anything from a credit downgrade on one of the bonds it picked.  The fund&#039;s investors bear the full credit risk—just as they would if they invested in a non-insured bond fund that included the downgraded bond.  Even if there are any ways for the insurer to profit from selecting the bonds in the fund&#039;s portfolio, the exact same tricks would be available to anybody managing a bond portfolio for a third party.

What would probably be best to understand is what&#039;s in it for the insurance company—how they expect to come out ahead by providing this insurance.  Interest rate volatility cuts both ways—just like bonds&#039; market values go down with higher interest rates, they also go up with lower ones.  Presumably the insurer gets to keep any gains that come from falls in market yield.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First up, if the underlying securities turn out to be utter crap via a default or credit downgrade, then the insurance doesn’t apply?  Wait, the insurer gets to choose the securities in the first place? Sometimes smells here.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, clearly the point of the insurance isn&#8217;t to eliminate credit risk—which would be too good to be true—but to eliminate interest-rate risk, which is more realistic.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the perverse incentives that you suspect here with regard to bond selection.  The insurer doesn&#8217;t gain anything from a credit downgrade on one of the bonds it picked.  The fund&#8217;s investors bear the full credit risk—just as they would if they invested in a non-insured bond fund that included the downgraded bond.  Even if there are any ways for the insurer to profit from selecting the bonds in the fund&#8217;s portfolio, the exact same tricks would be available to anybody managing a bond portfolio for a third party.</p>
<p>What would probably be best to understand is what&#8217;s in it for the insurance company—how they expect to come out ahead by providing this insurance.  Interest rate volatility cuts both ways—just like bonds&#8217; market values go down with higher interest rates, they also go up with lower ones.  Presumably the insurer gets to keep any gains that come from falls in market yield.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they aren&#039;t available for people who are self-employed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they aren&#8217;t available for people who are self-employed?</p>
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		<title>By: My Personal Finance Journey</title>
		<link>http://www.mymoneyblog.com/stable-value-funds-exploring-risks-and-rewards.html#comment-166820</link>
		<dc:creator>My Personal Finance Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan - thanks for clarifying that! Sounds like an interesting option that I&#039;ll have to look in to!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan &#8211; thanks for clarifying that! Sounds like an interesting option that I&#8217;ll have to look in to!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bb - Yes, they are an alternative to bonds and/or money market funds, but are available only in plans like 401k/403b/IRAs.

MyPFJ - The expense ratio is often provided (mine is 0.60%), but for comparison purposes the stable value fund provides a guaranteed return net of fees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bb &#8211; Yes, they are an alternative to bonds and/or money market funds, but are available only in plans like 401k/403b/IRAs.</p>
<p>MyPFJ &#8211; The expense ratio is often provided (mine is 0.60%), but for comparison purposes the stable value fund provides a guaranteed return net of fees.</p>
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		<title>By: kt- lifedividend</title>
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		<dc:creator>kt- lifedividend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am currently reading a book about how these rating agencies are compromised to give higher ratings to some toxic financial products. A very complicated financial product with a very high rating should set off bells. Good thing stable value funds are not that complex to decipher, if the fund has some form of transparency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am currently reading a book about how these rating agencies are compromised to give higher ratings to some toxic financial products. A very complicated financial product with a very high rating should set off bells. Good thing stable value funds are not that complex to decipher, if the fund has some form of transparency.</p>
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		<title>By: My Personal Finance Journey</title>
		<link>http://www.mymoneyblog.com/stable-value-funds-exploring-risks-and-rewards.html#comment-166811</link>
		<dc:creator>My Personal Finance Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a new type of investment option for me, so it&#039;s always good to learn about new things.

The key thing I am curious about is what the expense ratio is on the stable value fund compared to the Vanguard Intermediate-Term Bond Index Fund Investor Shares? 

If it is much higher, that might also factor in to the decision making process.

Great post though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a new type of investment option for me, so it&#8217;s always good to learn about new things.</p>
<p>The key thing I am curious about is what the expense ratio is on the stable value fund compared to the Vanguard Intermediate-Term Bond Index Fund Investor Shares? </p>
<p>If it is much higher, that might also factor in to the decision making process.</p>
<p>Great post though!</p>
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		<title>By: bb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So stable value funds are alternatives to bonds/money market!?</description>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell me abt insurance...good one.
So how does you portfolio look now. Its been a while since your last portfolio update (sept 2009), when you get a chance can you pls shed some light on that area...would love to see if you changed any or took advantage, since the downfall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell me abt insurance&#8230;good one.<br />
So how does you portfolio look now. Its been a while since your last portfolio update (sept 2009), when you get a chance can you pls shed some light on that area&#8230;would love to see if you changed any or took advantage, since the downfall.</p>
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